you live on one hundred thirty three bucks a month for food i should try it because you know how fabulous i had lunch i got so . i mean. i know that i'm still really messed up. in the all original actually. a little worse for the little thing going to lie down to the. radio for a minute i think i want to go for a budget because you've never seen anything like this i'm told. what's going on guys i mean martin and this is breaking the set the summary rock

sides to deadliest month since the height of u.s. occupation that the country seems more unstable now than ever before just yesterday i woke up to the tragic news of yet another wave of bombings which killed at least twenty thousand people it's clear that iraq is on the verge of a full blown civil war at this point because by the violence plaguing the nation the pentagon has just announced a new arms sale to iraq to the tune of two point seven billion dollars stockpile would include six hundred eighty one and aircraft missiles forty missile launchers three anti-aircraft batteries as well as two hundred sixteen a hawk missiles now like me you might be wondering why the pentagon wants to sell billions of dollars worth of weapons to a country in the verge of collapse hall all sorts make a little bit more sense when you consider how the u.s. is seizing on iraq's instability for its end goal in syria so right now you're wrong is able to fly over iraqi air space to give weapons and aid to the assad regime and according to the pentagon this latest weapons order could secure a no fly zone over iraq. limiting the shipments of weapons from iran is it just me

or does dumping weapons into a completely destabilize country sound like a terrible idea then really how much more can the people of iraq even take just two decades ago iraq incurred harsh economic sanctions result in the deaths of a half a million iraqi children and following that a decade of brutal us military occupation which caused the country to deteriorate under sectarian violence but instead of taking any accountability for the state of iraq today the u.s. military is now going to pour billions of dollars worth of arms to fight yet another war and if you don't want another war join me and let's break the set. this week there is a pretty controversial guess right here in washington d.c.

i mean officials and private investors alike are all in town to attend the largest exhibit in the world dedicated to drones yes just about every major drone manufacturer in the world has come together for this special event you put on by the association for unmanned vehicle systems international but aside from showcasing the latest and greatest in drone technology the organization is also here to help lawmakers draft legislation because doesn't it make so much sense to have drone manufacturers draft the very policy that regulates their industry certainly a topic that raises more and legal questions over the use of killer drones abroad and privacy concerns right here at home and unfortunately the conversation is often jorth by the prospect of thousands of new jobs promised by a growing industry already worth billions of dollars artie's making lopez has been in attendance at the robotics expo and joins me now to talk more about this conference and what it's all about hello megan thank you so much for having me i mean so talk about some of the craziest things that you saw being presented and being debuted. especially insane robots on the market no i think there are so many

things that this entire convention center was the entire florida is very very full everything from really small little drones running around and flying around to huge massive they had helicopters they had tanks but let me give you some examples in particular some of the scariest slash most interesting things that i saw first of all there's something call from an industry called titan aerospace to a new company that formed us about two years ago and they have something called the so we're putting solar power satellite and what that is is obviously by the name says it runs off of solar energy and what it is that you a.v. it can hover in the air for months at a time they say it can offer up to five years at a time and they're planning on having it up in the sky isn't up to nine months just about and really covering around what they say it can do is it can it can talk about monitor crops and it also a camera on it so they can hover around and look at a camera they can also monitor weather patterns but they say the camera is a little bit less likely because it'll be way high up in the air sixty five

thousand feet you know it's amazing that the second ology exists that we can have a drone up in the air for five years but i mean it just worries me because of course with every technology it has the potential for such enormous abuse you got the chance to actually talk to a bunch of drone manufacturers talk first about what your conversation was like when you brought up the prospect of you know concerns at all about using these drones to kill people without due process abroad well their response is that they don't have a response so they did not want to talk about it at all and it was very very interesting because i would start off by asking them to talk about why they were there at that your own conference and by the way you're not supposed to you have you know so and what you're supposed to what they're trying to represent there who are trying to market to but then when i got to those tough questions i asked them about the wars abroad and i asked northrop grumman representative and i asked them if they have a stake in the war considering the fact that a lot of their industry money goes into these new avi's that the military and defense contractors use and they said i don't want to talk. about that i asked them

about privacy i said so what about bringing them back to the u.s. obviously there's a lot of privacy concerns and he told me we don't sell privacy we sell these utensils and then i asked him a couple other questions and he said i don't want to talk about that i don't want to talk about that so then i circled back and i said well i assume that since you don't want to talk about these things you simply provide the tools to the government and to these contractors and what they decide to do with them is their business and essentially what he told me is yes it worries me so much because of course it is their business of course you know there is this private these private companies who are marketing drones and it's really the government is making the policy but of course we know that their influence in the government greatly i mean billions of dollars being funneled in millions to fund these these elected officials of course you know but of course there's no accountability for the drone manufacturers and i really got to you at least try to ask them i'm wondering really quickly why drone is drone a negative word to them i mean does it have negative connotations now that kind of people are more aware of what we're doing with drones around the world that it absolutely has a negative connotation and every single person that i spoke to there corrected me

they said do not call them drones i mean they went so far as to they had a network password for the wireless internet and the password was don't say drones every single time it was brought up so that they didn't want to because it has that negative connotation they obviously prefer they acronyms and i think that that's maybe one of the reasons because the conference itself is called the b.s.i. that you didn't see more protesters because people simply didn't know that it was going on up salute i didn't even know until you told me you mentioned there are several local and state officials who are there representing their their states and local municipalities why because they understand that this could be a huge economic boom for their state i think what all of them agree and what all of the people that i spoke to agree is that drones or you a visa in the u.s. is inevitable what it comes down to is how the government regulates them so i spoke to representatives from ohio from oklahoma from utah from arizona from north dakota all over the place really thirty nine states are. the ones that are pushing for

this f.a.a. testing site but not only are they pushing for testing sites they're also pushing for these industries to come in to create jobs to fly in their skies or go in their waters because there's drones that do that too and really what the f.a.a. modernization and reform act that was recently signed by obama everybody is putting a date in and it's twenty fifteen that we can see all these are opening i don't know i thought was twenty twenty you know i can't imagine that will talk about of creating jobs and their unmanned goals and those guys don't know how many jobs they can really create they do so if you're going on a particular work of art is making those for shit. three hundred and thirty six one hundred five and they're going to these are the numbers that have come to define one man whose fate hangs in the balance i'm talking about bear brown a journalist in the hacktivist who's been in custody now for three hundred thirty

six days facing one hundred five years in prison and today he turns thirty two years old that will be another day spent behind bars for brown you see it's been almost a year since he was first arrested by the f.b.i. just after the agency raided his home the government had been tracking brown for about a year believing that the hacktivist was involved somehow with the stratfor intel e-mail leaks that is to be clear strat for refers to strategic forecasting incorporated it's a global security firm that provides aggregated intelligence to pain customers including the u.s. government anonymous hacked into stratfor servers and access private e-mails that revealed damning information such as the company's wide range of spying activities all the request of the d.h. . this included tracking animal rights activists to occupy wall street protesters that also expose persona management service that enables users to create sock puppet accounts of fake online profiles used to spy and spread propaganda and expose romance coin program implemented large scale monitoring of social networks

specifically targeted toward the muslim world but even though it was determined that brown had no involvement in the actual leak of these documents he's been accused of disseminating the information by posting a link which happened to include the credit card information of stratford's clients and now brown is facing a whole host of charges seventeen to be exact which together carry a potential of one hundred and five years behind bars the charges range from writing an f.b.i. agent via social media to credit card fraud however he's pleaded not guilty to all of them because of the large amount of data involved brown's defense is trying to delay the trial to sort through it all but the government is opposed so. an extension and it would give brown and his team more time to manipulate public perception about the case in a recent motion filed by the government it reads quote the government is aware of dozens of instances where an brown has solicited the services of the media to

discuss his cases most of the publicity can contains gross fabrications and substantially false. facts and law which may harm both the government and the defense during jury selection included in that briefing was an interview we did right here on our t.v. so essentially what's happening now is that the government is asking for a media gag order on a case that's virtually already getting no media attention but i'm pretty sure that brown needs all the defense he can get after all he is going up against a government that has a tory a stracke record for crushing online dissent and activism think about it if you give nuclear secrets to terrorists your prison sentence is twenty years so why is it that someone who posted a link is facing over one hundred obviously this has nothing to do with posting a link this is about setting an example of a young activists who dared shed light on the dark underbelly of the surveillance

state. so i had you guys will talk about the latest revelations in the n.s.a. spying fagen take a closer look at the end of programs that were forced to shut down in its wake. look pretty dumb stuff in the field that you won't find it here if you're looking for relevant stories unique perspective from top of my scans and our.

the to. tell her she's going to be like. with everything that's come out of the scope of unconstitutional fine and data collection you might be concerned about whether privacy is even

a possibility anymore and this is why online services providing the reinsurance of encryption have seen a growth in their industry but doesn't christian really mean that your data is secure and that's precisely why one such website lavabit dot com just shut its doors but the founder of dar levinson felt he had no option to shutter the web site after being threatened with criminal charges by the federal government if he didn't turn over customer information the reason behind the order was that n.s.a. whistleblower edward snowden was a paid subscriber of the encrypted e-mail service privacy concerns are only being amplified in light of yet another security mail service shutting down it's called silent circle and c.e.o. mike janki joins me now to discuss why the company made the decision and the implications this has for the rest of us thank you so much for coming on mike thanks you have the pleasure to be here so i was under the impression first of all that encryption meant that your data was safe from the government spying on you can you talk about why this isn't necessarily the case well it christian protects the content of what we're talking about data but then you have to talk about what is

the architecture you're sending it over is a phone is it e-mail is it a texting media we. build products that protect voice calls mobile video calls files and texting and desktop video like skype but we also have developed a encrypted e-mail service at the behest of our customers but fundamentally email architecture was built forty years ago security was it in mind so the absolute fundamental nature of how e-mail is sent doesn't matter that the content is encrypted gives away the keys to the kingdom who when where what what operating system you use and who it's to day everything so as much as a service may say well we're an encrypted e-mail. the data that they hold on their servers is literal gold to law enforcement and intel agencies why is that still

contains an enormous amount of information and i didn't realize that but it's very obvious once you pointed out there's a gag order on a lot of that right now they're unable to talk about the legal issues that face them what is silent circle why did you decide to shut down the camp site well yes there is a gag order on a bit and we have been in the this secure communication business for a long time my fellow co-founder selzer i'm an internet hall of fame created p.g.p. which is the world's e-mail correction and john callas the creator of apple's whole disk and corruption so we're a little bit gray in the beard we've seen this this happened. the the understanding that happened was we grew so fast so quickly with a global audience only thirty five percent of our customers are in north america the rest are everything from businesses private citizens from one hundred twenty six countries governments and the lebanese government customers around the world so literally overnight in terms of technology call it six to nine months are

subscribership groups so big that we begin to be worried we only. launched our email as a stopgap measure we thought we had enough time until we would launch a peer to peer alternative but quickly once we saw the lava bit thing happened we knew we could not be holding on to this treasure trove so we did scorched earth we had to just get rid of it now that's a very tough call to give up you know profits for kind of an f. those if you will and some of our customers were upset including european government but we couldn't send out a post a in the twelve hours to recover it that's literally like say get your subpoenas ready you've got twelve hours so we have a scorched earth well that's almost unheard of. i mean it's amazing to see that some people have some morality that profit in their bottom line and i want to read you a quote that a lot of its founders stated on the web site after site and see what you thought

about it is that i would strongly recommend anyone against anyone sorry trusting their private data to a company with physical ties the us. mike is leaving us and cutting ties with the government the only way that people can really use these services are to ensure that this type of service can be provided the answer is unequivocally no there's nowhere to hide you know i get calls even this morning from liechtenstein and south africa move it stuff it does not matter of the country switzerland wherever these countries work to gather. in secret courts and intelligence agencies to be able to if you're holding it you will eventually have to give it up that matter of fact iceland wherever you're at so the answer is you don't run away and try to build it on some remote island. it's about the architecture how are you allowing people to communicate today it's all mobile first. people of my age still use

legacy convenience of e-mail but the younger generation that's vastly taking over the world of smartphones mobility first text you know phone calls so we're building peer to peer architecture around the world based upon that communication where you can like we do literally built our architecture to have no metadata there's nothing we know nothing about our customers other than new user name they chose the phone number we give them and the password to control it we don't have the critic or we have no idea who they are we can legally do that and we've demonstrated you can run a business with privacy as your product in mind your right is that it's global of course you can't run away from this what can people do you use that peer to peer sharing i mean are you worried about the government coming down on you later on if you if you provide the proper architecture to really provide real privacy well

fortunately we and the most of the western world live in a form of democracy so there are laws that they have to change in order to make us not do what we're doing but the story is lost it gets focused on the shiny toy of government when reality the biggest pervy years of surveillance are credit card companies the big data companies the phone companies you want to talk about somebody who can affect your life try to look at your credit rating they have more data on you than than any other part of it and it really gets fixed your life so whether it's credit card companies health care car companies phone companies we are literally under deleuze from government private industry big technology you are no longer the customer our data is that's the new gold coming out of the ground. very good point thank you so much for coming on describing a little bit more about silent circle and what people can do my janky appreciate it

thank you appreciate it i think. you know it's amazing to see companies begin to take a stand against the government's dragnet collection of data what are people doing to ensure accountability transparency and adequate oversight for the n.s.a.'s surveillance program moving forward brian doogan technology of the open technology institute joins me now discuss more thank you so much for coming on brian thank you so let's first let's hear from obama himself he just gave this really at that press conference about the n.s.a. leaks about providing more oversight i want to hear what he had to say. so after having a dialogue with members of congress and civil libertarians i believe that there are steps we can take to give the american people additional confidence that there are additional safeguards against abuse for instance we can take steps to put in place greater oversight greater transparency and constraints on the use of this authority

. so obama saying the you know this unwarranted fear is the prospect of the spine being abused but really i mean is the program as it already stands this dragnet spying. should be considered to be used sure i mean is it legitimate for a government to collect all of that data and when the when that term itself has been redefined by the n.s.a. to mean we only look at it you know they are still using all of that data that like there is still a copy of that data that's being used to make determinations on whether they think something is belongs to a terrorist or whether belongs to another group the government might disagree with but the fact that they have a copy of it the fact that they have access to it and what the x. keyscore slides tell us is that an agent n.s.a. analyst has access to search through any of those records at will and we have we have global stories of incidents of that happening. and recently

congressman amash proposed this legislation to amend the n.s.a. but of course that fell short is there anything being done either within the government legislatively or outside the government to really scale back this huge program where the president has promised a board of experts outside experts to review the data collection processes but as we learned recently that board will eventually report to n.s.a. director james clapper and it's impossible for an institution to review itself so what this government likes to do things its all in the open technology institute is interested in doing is we're in we're proposing we're launching and true extremal review board we are collecting some of the world's foremost experts and security and technology and asking for a more crowd source open inspection of these processes how can this be done if you know if legislators myself don't even have access to the real documents here how

can you guys really conduct that without access to these will depend on. news reports for we know that upcoming leaks are coming out will depend on expert investigation expert interpretation of the documents that are already out there. and you know we're now outsourcing survey allan's brian and this is something that is just a really disturbing aspect because on one hand the technology has such huge potential on the other hand there's such potential for abuse do you think that this is going to make it even harder to curb back now that it's kind of taken out of the public's hands outside of the democratic system of governance and into the privatized surveillance industry how can we ever truly scale this back when it's gone so far well it's always been in the public sands the public has the power to tell our government what parts of private industry we want regulated and it's just happenstance that in this country it's not happenstance at all but in this country we have made a decision that every year every every election we have made a decision that it's ok for corporations to collect this type of data and that it

has been very confusing it's very very difficult for the average user to determine what's actually being recorded by these corporations because when when the post office started it was very very obvious what data the post office had on you it was very very obvious what they could find out if they could break into a package but as we moved into the telecommunications age it became less obvious that the phone company of course has access to your calling when you made that call their interest may not necessarily be in keeping that data but we all agreed that it was ok for this private organization to collect or least have access to all of that data once as time went on we because of that it agreement we implicitly agreed that it was ok for corporations to keep that data and that crew that created in irresistible treasure trove of data for the government it is almost insatiable urge to just acquire everything that's available and you're right i mean it's scary

. you think about it that way that it started off as something as simple as your telephone given to your cable provider and now look how far we've come and i guess what begs the question what scarier i guess having a corporate entity or corporate industry accessing this information with a potential to sell it have it be hacked into or the government i mean really is there any difference of course i mean that you know organization can guarantee absolute privacy or absolute secrecy at some point but at some point we have to be able to trust someone but we also have to remember that the goals of the advertising industry and the goals of the government sometimes are not too different from one another their purpose is for collecting all the state of the most private intimate secrets about ourselves that google has access to for example facebook has access to when we use those platforms to communicate our most private thoughts those that data is used to modify our behavior that data is used to get us to buy things we might not otherwise have bought that it is used to look at other

sites that we might have. otherwise not looked down and governments are interested in using that data to make sure that they don't we don't do things that they disagree with so the the goal is behavior modification or behavior containment and both of these both of these entities need these types of data sets in order to do that and we also need to be aware of what you just said what this is being used for how we can kind of take back control of our own lives thank you so much. technologist for the open technology answer to your short time. thanks so much guys if you like what you see how do our you tube channel at youtube dot com slash breaking this and be sure describe for us a single episode of all of our interviews posted separately there on the videos tab and courage i want to check out my interview with former governor and presidential candidate in two thousand for howard dean take on all that and more on you tube dot com making you fat and guys that's it for us tonight as always thank you for tuning in and i'll see you right thank you to break the set tomorrow.

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